- My uncle's parents lived at the very end of Witchduck Road at the presumed spot where Grace was ducked. For many years, our family celebrated Easter on the bank of the Lynnhaven River at that place.
- Also, my father's parents lived in a house on Witchduck Road when I was 4 or 5 years old.
- Grace Sherwood's house and farm were on Muddy Creek Road in Pungo where my parents once considered purchasing land.
- As a teenager, I visited the home of Louisa Venable Kyle who wrote the children's book, The Witch of Pungo.
- My ex-spouse's uncle drew the portrait on which the Grace Sherwood statue was based...the likeness was actually that of a family member. The statue stands at the corner of Witchduck Road and Independence Blvd.
Thursday, May 15, 2025
Family Connections to Virginia Beach History
Wednesday, September 27, 2023
Searching for Burial Site (Margaret and Eley Bryant)
Since we strongly suspected that Margaret and Eley were buried on the family farm in Princess Anne County, the next logical step in our search was to find the current owner of the Bryant farmland. We found her! She is a 90-year old woman who lives in a modest ranch home across Blackwater Road from the property. Her name is Doris (family name, Frost), and she was born in the original farmhouse which had been located across the street (our family's home?) where there is now a barn owned by another family.
Here is how we found her:
Cousin Terry invited three of us, including my sister and a mutual friend, to meet her for breakfast on Monday, Sept. 25, 2023 at the Redhead Bay Cafe very near the location of the old Fletcher farm in Pungo. The mutual friend is a member of the Princess Anne Historical Society, and she had a particular interest in the history of lumber mills in the County. After breakfast Terry suggested we go for a ride and see the family properties that had taken so much effort to find three years ago.
We first drove across the Pungo Ferry bridge toward Blackwater Road, pointing out the Fletcher property. Turning left on Blackwater, we saw the old Blackwater Store and the pond where the lumber mill must have been. Heading back in the other direction, I pointed out the 40+ acres that was once the Bryant farm, now all soybean fields.
A man was out in his front yard across the road. His house and fields took up the triangle at the corner of Blackwater and Head of River Roads where Blackwater Road had once been straightened. We got out of the car and approached him. He wasn't friendly at first. He even challenged the story we told him. But then his wife (?) came out and she was more interested in helping us. They told us that "Doris" is the current owner of the property and lives right across Blackwater Road... and... look! She's home right now, waiting for a ride to go somewhere. Hurry and catch her!
We drove immediately to Doris' house and got out of the car. The front door was open and Doris came right out. She soon warmed up to us and told us about being born in the old farmhouse there. She pointed directly across the road to where a barn now stands. Learning the location of the house was significant in that we realized the Bryant property had been divided sometime after 1908. We explained that we were searching for graves. She assured us that she has walked every inch of that property and there are no graves. We thanked her and told her that she had saved us a lot of trouble and satisfied our curiosity.
I remember seeing the name "Frost" on an old map. Next step is to follow up on that lead.
NEW DEVELOPMENTS: Here we are more than a YEAR later! November 2024!
Matt discovered that Ancestry added the death registries for Virginia, and he found Portsmouth 1900-1908. There was Margaret, on May 18, 1908, age 73, dau. of Wm Cobb and Evelyn Wallace, burial permit #1401, Snelling & Knight Undertaker, place of burial Hickory Grove (Ground?).
There is no cemetery by that name in Portsmouth, Chesapeake, or Va. Beach. The invoices from Margaret's death and burial indicate that her body was transported from Portsmouth to Blackwater for "services and burial." Blackwater in Virginia Beach is very close to the Hickory area of Chesapeake. There is currently a voting district in Chesapeake called Hickory Grove. It was all part of Norfolk County in that time period. The closest match on FindaGrave was Pleasant Grove cemetery in Hickory.
On Wednesday, November 6, Holly, Clayton, and I set out for Hickory in Chesapeake. We stomped around several cemeteries looking at old grave markers. No luck. Clayton called Hickory UMC (formerly "Hickory Ground Methodist" we later learned) and spoke with a staff member there about the church history. No cemetery there.
Matt suggested that I try going through the individual cemetery records in Family Search or checking the collections in local libraries. I went through the probate record with a fine-toothed comb, and so did Holly. We didn't come up with anything helpful except that the body was taken to Blackwater by train. I researched the train system at the time and found that there were railways that ran close to Blackwater and Hickory.
On Halloween, the "Norfolk County Historical Society of Chesapeake, Virginia" posted a photo of a cemetery on Facebook. I made a comment on the post about looking for my ancestor, and on November 25, I received a reply from a volunteer with the organization offering assistance! After a few emails back and forth, now two more researchers are taking on the challenge.
One of the researchers, Suzy, wanted to know the address of the Bryant farm. That was not an easy question! The farm's original property line had been changed due to the straightening of Blackwater Road. The original house was gone, and part of the property (where the house had stood) was sold out of the family. The best I could figure out is that the property's address became Head of River Road (3101?), as it was now cut off from Blackwater Rd. I sent her copies of the map with the property marked, and the current owner's house circled. I also sent her the property description from the probate documents.
Suzy sent copies of Margaret's obituary (which I already have) and told me that according to the newspaper, she was buried in Blackwater. I then sent her the Portsmouth death register that indicated the cemetery, "Hickory [Grove?]". She then brought in another researcher to interpret the handwriting on the record, believing it to say "Ground," not Grove. I found a 1911 map showing the railways, and sure enough, one of the stations, the closest to Blackwater, was called Hickory Ground.
Searching through South Norfolk/Chesapeake documents online revealed that Hickory Elementary was once called Hickory Ground Elementary, and that Hickory UMC (in front of the school) was called Hickory Ground Methodist Church. As I mentioned before, Clayton had already called the church and learned that there was no cemetery there.
Suzy sent an email today (Dec. 2, 2024) saying that "Kay" had searched all of the deeds and found nothing. She suggested I call or go to Virginia Beach and search the deeds at the courthouse. There are no gravemarkers listed in Chesapeake for Margaret and Eley, according to a book that I can purchase for $20. She said that it was most likely that they are buried on their property. We may just have to accept that conclusion. I made a joking comment about their graves being covered by soybeans. She said that is often the case. Often farmers have no regard for graves on their property. They find many graves in soybean fields.
There is a corner of the Bryant farm property that is still forested. The owner says she has walked every square foot of the land, but could they be in that little wooded section? Or maybe they were buried near the house, in which case, it would be on property that belongs to the family that lives in the little triangle of land that got cut off by the road straightening.
Next steps: the deed room at VB courthouse. Try to find W. E. Charlton who performed the services at burial. Also, look up burial permit #1401 (per Portsmouth death register).
My thoughts about W. E. Charlton... according to a receipt in Margaret's funeral papers, he was paid $7 for "services at burial." We have been thinking he was a clergyman of some sort who performed services. No person by that name came up in any records, including Ancestry. However, now that we have come to believe she was buried on the farm, we think he might have been a local laborer who dug the grave for them. Interesting sidenote: the receipt was written in elegant handwriting.
Also, as Charles Bryant stated in a 1924 letter to Bluke, "I must find someone to take care of Mothers and Fathers graves." This strongly indicates a private cemetery. If Margaret and Eley were buried on the farm, it would make sense that the 1908 deed at the time of sale would show the location of the graves. The farm was sold to J. F. Cox on November 16, 1908. That deed of sale should show the house, and hopefully, the graves.
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| Could this be the very train that brought Margaret's body to Blackwater in 1908? |
Personal note: it was such a relief to identify Hickory Ground (instead of Hickory Grove), and to learn confirm that Margaret's body was taken to Blackwater in [what is now] Virginia Beach. There were some very puzzling coincidences that almost made me give up. There is a Blackwater River and a Hickory Grove Church in Isle of Wight County, both near the Bryant/Cobb ancestral home. And, to complicate things more, I searched in Glen Allen in Richmond, near Ida's home where Margaret had been living for several years. There is a Hickory Grove church there as well. It was hard to figure out which direction the family would have taken. At last, we have narrowed the search to the farm in Virginia Beach.
Update: Dec. 18, 2024
On a Facebook page, "Abandoned Places in Virginia," a comment (from someone I know!) suggested contacting the City of Virginia Beach Historial Preservation person. I sent an email explaining my quest and am awaiting reply.
Wednesday, May 31, 2023
New Jersey and Virginia - full circle
Today the NJ and VA cousins came together on the farm in Old Church, Virginia.
Matt - the great grandson of William Bryant and Bonnie Abbott - drove down from NJ for a genealogy conference in Richmond, and the chance to get together with a matriarch of the Virginia faction of the family was too good to pass up. I, Teresa - the great granddaughter of George Abbott and Ida Rene Bryant - arranged the visit and brought lunch.
The three of us, Matt, me, and "Teeny" (Miriam - granddaughter of George and Ida), spent the afternoon sharing family lore, pictures, and recollections. Though, memory loss was somewhat of a barrier to reliable information, I believe there were some insights gained from our visit.
Teeny recalled a memorable visit to New Jersey when she was in high school. As a real southern belle, she was a novelty attraction for her northern cousins. The more they made over her, the more southern she became, and her cheerleader type personality became exaggerated. She claims the New Jersey girls were all mad over the attention she drew from the boys, and she just reveled in it. It was the first time she experienced such personal power.
She remembers that at least one of the boy cousins came to Virginia to visit her after that, but can't remember names or details. Matt remembers his aunt Mary telling about going down to Virginia where she visited one of the family grocery stores. She must have visited the Lukhards in Richmond, probably in the 1950's, who were heading up a household of multiple families at the time, including George Abbott and Earl Butler and family.
Matt showed us old photos of his family members, in particular his father Lawrence, and his "Nan," Margaret Bryant Weismantel. Margaret was the daughter of William and Bonnie Bryant. Matt told stories about the tumultuous relationships between William and Bonnie. William evidently caused a great deal of trouble for the family. He was an alcoholic who finally ended his days in an institution. Bonnie threatened to bury him in the midst of all the Abbotts in the cemetery family plot so that he could be tormented for eternity (which she did).
There was another story about someone in the Virginia family stealing the Bryants' valuable colonial patent for growing peanuts out of William's luggage on a visit to Virginia. Maybe he sold it. Or it might have been one of the Butler boys who took it. Anyway, as a result, the New Jersey family did not have a great impression of the Virginia folks.
We told Teeny about some of the things we had learned in our research. I'm sure Teeny does not remember any of it, but it was entertaining at the moment! I reminded her about the framed photo of the Episcopal church she had given me - how I had discovered it was a postcard send from Matt's great grandmother Bonnie to her sister May. I gave the postcard to Matt. We found another framed postcard on Teeny shelf, but the people pictured on it were not identified. There was another photo of a family in front of an old home in Richmond, also not identified. I took photos of them for future research.
We told stories about Aunt Miriam, as she was our link to the Abbotts and Bryants. Miriam never knew what drastic thing Herman was going to introduce into their lives. She just adapted to whatever he wanted. We talked about the alcoholics in the family, how as kids we just thought our family was crazy and fun. We also talked about George "Gramp," and how on his deathbed he had asked Teeny to name Barry after his father Whitfield Barry Abbott - and he didn't even know she was pregnant much less that it was a boy!
We talked about the animals. We told how Uncle Herman would try to raise his own supply of food for the grocery store. Those ventures did not work out - the turkeys all suffocated in the back of the truck by piling up in one end. The hogs were sent to slaughter, accidentally including Robin's pet pig. Farm life was hard work. I recalled seeing Junior work out in the fields at night, driving the tractor around with the headlights on after working all day in the store.
We talked about Uncle Herman's love of real estate. He had owned several different properties on the Potomac and Rappahannock Rivers. There were always lots of family members gathered in these homes, which he generously shared with all of us. This discussion led to telling Matt about Tangier Island, which he had not heard of before.
We ended our visit with a tour of the farm. We left Teeny's at about 3:00 without thinking of taking a single photo.
PS Barry told me that he has a photo of Whitfield Barry Abbott. He will send me a copy of it. He also told me about a mix up regarding the family plot at Forest Lawn Cemetery. Apparently people aren't buried where they're supposed to be. There should be an empty plot, but they don't know which one it is.
Monday, November 21, 2022
Fort Lee, Ellis Island, Philadelphia - check!
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| Edgewater Cemetery inhabitants' view of the Hudson River and Manhattan |
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| The smaller chapel to the left is the original church. |
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| The newer piano factory was a brick building behind this house. [This building was moved to Main Street and is still there]. |
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| Hackensack County in 1861. "J. Abbott" is on the map above the words "Fort Lee." |
"The funeral of Wm. B. Abbott was held on Thursday. He had been ailing for some time. Mr. Abbott was for quite a long period principal of the Coytesville school."
There were promising materials held in various file cabinets, such as files on prominent family names in Fort Lee, but they were locked and the librarian could not find the keys.
"Come back next week," she says.
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| A land map of the historic area of Fort Lee. Whitfield Barrie Abbott's property on Palisades Avenue is marked,as is James Abbott's property just down the street. |
A: through the Godfrey family. There is probably a second connection to Stephen Hopkins as well.
Q: What did the C stand for in John Abbott's name? Conway, after his mother in England?
A: Did not resolve this one. In some sources, his middle initial was "L." In his will, it appears to be the letter "C." James Abbott's son was named John Coyte Abbott. Coyte was James' wife's family name.
Q: It was "James Abbott and Sons" by 1891; when did John Abbott bow out?
A: One source mentioned that he got out of the business at age 26. John Abbott owned the "hotel" where many of the piano factory employees lived. The Abbott House was located on Lemoine Avenue.
Q: Where did the name "Lemoine" come from? (Lemoine Avenue). Who/what was Abbott Blvd. named for?
A: James Abbott married Eliza Lemoine; William Abbott married Susan Ann Lemoine. Lemoine was a prominent family in Fort Lee. Abbott Blvd was named for the first mayor of Fort Lee, John Coyte Abbott, son of James Lemoine Abbott, Sr.
Q: Where did the name Fenton originate? (Southampton County)
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Q: What is the story about a probate dispute over William Cobb's probate 14 years after his death?
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Q: Where is the home of Charles and Maria Bryant?
A; I found several specific addresses for them and for their businesses in Asbury Park, Ocean Grove, and Newark. We did not have time to look for them, but most buildings are long gone anyway.
Q: Charles' death certificate?
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Q: Where was Charles between 1880 and 1908?
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Q: Is the Charles Bryant in the Richmond newspaper article the same piano dealer listed in the NJ city directory? (11/30/1911).
A: According to the city directory, Charles lived in NJ as early as 1909. Ida was living in Richmond, so Charles did have a connection there. Perhaps he was living near Ida before he moved to NJ..?
Q: Where are Eley and Margaret buried? They are buried together. In Charles Bryant's letter to Bluke, 1924, he wrote: "I must see if I can't get someone to look after Father and Mother's graves," indicating that they were not buried in a formal cemetery.
A: Their graves are not marked, but we assume they are buried on the land at the corner of Blackwater and Head of River Roads in Princess Anne County, now a soybean field. It may not be possible to locate their exact burial sites.
Q: Explain the errors in William Bryant's death certificate (William Thomas Bryant, son of Eley and Margaret Bryant in Southampton, Virginia, NOT "Peter" and "Margaret Garttom" as on his death certificate).
A: William died in a poorhouse in Newark, NJ. He was an alcoholic booted out of the house by his wife Bonnie. He was despised by the Abbott family and buried in their cemetery plot for spite (so they hound him for eternity). The information on the death certificate may have been recorded by a staff person at the poorhouse based on ineffective communication from William.
Q: Are these our family?
Eli Bryant, Nottoway Co, slave owner
A: probably not.
William J. Cobb, E. Nottoway River, 1860 slave schedule
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Q: What is story about the lost deed? lost patent?
A: According to the "NJ" family lore, someone in the "Virginia" family (i.e. the Bryants) stole the deed to the original Southampton land grant out of William T. Bryant's luggage. The patent refers to a peanut patent, unknown story.
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| 214 Main Street |
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| The original piano factory building today, behind 214 Main Street. |
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| DPW record of Abbott family burials at Edgewater. Photo of Tom Quinton's burials list obtained from Matt Weismantel. |
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| DPW record of Bryant family burials at Edgewater. Photo of Tom Quinton's burials list, obtained from Matt Weismantel. |
Saturday, December 18, 2021
The Rift: a sad story of the Bryants of Virginia
Something happened long ago that tore the Bryant family apart. My father told of a mysterious "rift" between his maternal grandmother, Ida Rene, and her twin sister Addie, but he had no idea what it was about. This legacy was passed down through the next three generations, though no one remembered the original cause. When I asked, the grownups would just shrug and claim not to know. No one could explain. It was just an accepted thing. We rarely associated with our cousins in Virginia Beach.
This was an anomaly in our family. We had a close, warm relationship with other distant relatives. We dutifully made the annual trek to Richmond from Virginia Beach to visit my father's large, extended family - great grandparents, great aunts and uncles, and cousins two and three times removed. I remember thinking it was strange that we never visited cousins who lived in our own city.
To give some background, the twins, Ida and Addie, grew up in Southampton County, Virginia. There were born in 1868 to Eley and Margaret Bryant, who were poor, illiterate farmers. Margaret and Eley had ten children, five of whom lived to adulthood.
- Charles became a piano dealer in New Jersey and married a wealthy widow, Maria Harper.
- William married Bonnie Abbott from Fort Lee, New Jersey.
- Ida Rene married George Abbott from Fort Lee, New Jersey (Bonnie's half-brother).
- Addie, Ida's twin, married Blucher Fletcher from Moyock, NC.
- Gattie Jane married John F. Chappell from Princess Anne County, and then Dr. Edwin Stanton Davis from Manhattan, NY.
All of Margaret and Eley's children and their spouses played a part in "the rift." But I'll get to that...
Three generations later, in the 1990's, something serendipitous occurred. My sister Holly and her husband befriended a couple (Jim and Terry) in their Sunday School class. The couples were friends for months without knowing their true relationship. One day, by chance, Terry mentioned that her father was a dentist in Kempsville for many years. Holly, surprised, asked her if her father was Charlie Fletcher - why yes, he is! Holly immediately recognized how much Terry resembled our little red-haired grandmother Jacqueline Abbott. 3rd cousins! They lived in the same city all their lives and had never met.
The twins, Ida and Addie, were finally reunited through their great-grandchildren after 100 years! In another miraculous turn, Matt, the great-grandson of William Bryant from New Jersey, recently joined his 3rd cousins in Virginia, bringing the Bryant-Abbott family full circle.
So what caused this mysterious rift?
Digging into the Bryant family history, I discovered some other surprises and baffling mysteries. Some of them involve Ida Rene and her many marriages and children which are written about in another post.
How did some of the Bryants - poor farmers from rural southside Virginia - end up in New Jersey? How did they merge with the Abbotts, a successful piano making family? A possible explanation has to do with the railroad, which was extended to Southampton County in 1888. William Bryant went to NJ in the 1890's looking for work. He met Bonnie Abbott, a coworker in a hat factory. Bonnie became pregnant in late 1899, and she traveled by railroad to Norfolk where she and William had a quick marriage in January 1900 performed by a preacher in the church parsonage. In 1904, Ida married George, Bonnie's half-brother. Charles Bryant moved to NJ around 1911 and sold pianos (perhaps made by the Abbotts?).
In 1886, Margaret and Eley sold their farm Southampton County, where both of their families had lived since Colonial days, and moved to the Blackwater area of Princess Anne County. Addie and "Bluke" bought a nearby farm in 1890. Then Eley died unexpectedly in 1895. William and Bonnie lived with Margaret for a time, but then moved back to New Jersey around 1900 (their child did not survive). Margaret rented out the farm in Princess Anne County and moved to Richmond to live with Ida. Why did she live with Ida and not Addie who lived just down the road? Perhaps there were already the beginnings of some hard feelings between Addie and Margaret.
Here’s what happened.
When Eley died intestate in 1895, Margaret deliberately failed to notify authorities so that she could keep the farm. Otherwise, by law, it would have gone through probate and would have had to be sold, with half the proceeds divided among her four living adult children. Margaret collected rent from the farm after she moved to Richmond to live with Ida, and continued to earn income by selling lumber from the property. It seems Addie resented this financial arrangement.
In April 1908, 13 years after her father died, Addie Fletcher sued her mother over her rightful inheritance. The legal proceedings included depositions from her children and their spouses, including Ida and George Abbott. In a potentially disastrous complication, their recently deceased sibling, Gattie Jane, had held the note on the farm. When she died in early 1908 in Manhattan, her will left the note to her husband, Dr. Stanton. In gracious assent, upon request from Charles Bryant, Dr. Stanton sent the deed, not to Margaret or Charles, but directly to a lawyer in Norfolk.
The next month, Margaret boarded a train in Richmond, bound for Norfolk. We will never be sure of her purpose, but it’s reasonable to believe it had to do with the lawsuit. Sadly, she never quite made it. She had "apoplexy" on the train and was rushed to the house of D. W. Godwin at 914 Greene Street in Portsmouth, where she died three days later (May 8, 1908 at 5:30 p.m.), with her four living children gathered at her bedside, Charles, William, Addie, and Ida. Did she have a stroke brought on by the extreme stress of getting sued by her own daughter? The timing seems more than coincidence. If so, it is no wonder the family fell apart. The fact that Margaret’s daughter Gattie Jane died earlier that same year may have just been too much heartbreak to handle.
Did the siblings ever reconcile? In a letter to Bluke Jr. in September 1909, Ida sent love through Bluke to her sister and expressed sorrow at their broken relationship. She told Bluke how she tried to connect with Addie on a visit to Norfolk, but Addie would not see her.
There is a photo of the sisters with Charles and Maria, who married in 1911 in New Jersey. If the photo was taken near that date, they may have made some kind of truce.
In a 1924 letter to Bluke Jr., Charles wrote, "how's your Mother and Father [Addie and Bluke Sr.] give my love to them when you write again. I thought your mother and Ida were coming to see us 2 years ago." Did that visit ever happen?
Charlie Fletcher, born in 1926, lived in the same house with Addie and his parents. He remembers that suddenly his family did not go to Richmond to visit family anymore. He didn’t understand why at the time, but this was probably due to Ida’s death in 1933. However, Charlie remembers his Uncle “Billie” coming to visit them from New Jersey. He also remembers visits from his namesake, Uncle Charlie Bryant. The Bryant siblings, it seems, worked through their issues regarding the lawsuit and Margaret’s untimely death.
After Ida died, her children, except for Jacqueline, remained in Richmond. “Jack” and Ernie moved to Norfolk after the Depression. Ernie lived with Addie in Norfolk until he could find a job and a place to live for his young family. After Addie died in 1948, and maybe even before that, the two families drifted apart again.
Now, a century after “the rift,” the great-grandchildren of Ida, Addie, and William have joyfully rediscovered each other. They are working together to find the stories in their mutual family history.
Full circle.
The remaining mystery now is the location of Eley and Margaret's graves. In 1924, Charles Bryant writes to Bluke Jr., "I must see if I can't get someone to look after Father and Mother's graves," implying that they are buried together. Since Eley died in 1895 and Margaret in 1908, their graves could be on the property in Blackwater which had not yet been sold. However, by 1924, the land was long out of their hands. The property is a 42-acre field today, totally cleared of trees and plowed under. The original house is gone. There is no sign or indication of a possible burial site. There are no records of their graves in any church cemeteries. The funeral home that handled the transportation and burial of Margaret's body was sold long ago, and the records of her burial lost in the transfer.
Saturday, July 3, 2021
Eley and Margaret Bryant - a Timeline of Discovery
Three 3rd cousins met up on August 16 and 17th to do some local research on our mutual great great grandparents, Eley and Margaret Bryant of Southampton County, Virginia. I have traced the Bryants and the Cobbs back to the 1600s on my family tree. Here are the results of that research and the questions that arose.
(Prior knowledge in black/new knowledge in blue/pursue further in red):
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| The marriage registration for Eley and Margaret. |
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1880
In 1885, Hardesty's Historical and Geographical Encyclopedia stated that Eley "engaged in farming" and resided in Delawares, Southampton County. They had a patent on peanuts, but it was lost or stolen.
UPDATE: 9/23/21: Cousin Terry and I drove out to Blackwater to scope out this newly discovered Bryant Farm. The boundaries of the original farm are easy to see, but it is all now a field where it once had been woodland. The field is nothing but soybeans as far as the eye can see. There is no indication of an old homesite or of any signs or markings of graves. We did find a map, however, that showed a house on the property... just a dot indicating its location:
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1908
On Jan. 21, 1908, Gattie Jane died in NY, leaving her husband, Dr. Edwin Stanton Davis, to hold the the bond documents for the Bryant farm. In her will, which was lost but remembered in detail by Dr Davis, Gattie left the bond to her mother, Margaret. Dr. Davis honored Gattie’s wishes and gave the bond to Charles Bryant, who then turned it over to a trust lawyer in Norfolk. Thus began a family court case over disposition of Eley’s estate.
- Dr. Mansfield, historian, old PA County family - Archives at Virginia Wesleyan College
- See transcript of original Bryant farm deed - is it Miles Munden or Murden? both old PA families.
- Alice Walter at Westminster Canterbury in Va. Beach - Norfolk County genealogy
- Chesapeake Public Library - Robert Hitchings, Head of Norfolk County Historical Society.
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| Mariah, Ida, Addie, Charles |
- William Butler Jr. is listed as inmate in the Methodist Orphanage in Richmond, age 15.
- Rawley Butler is listed as inmate in Laurel Reformatory, age 11.
- Earl, age 18, not found in any records so far.
- Miriam, age 2.
- Audrey, age 1.
- Jacqueline, age 3/12.
- Where are Eley and Margaret buried? (possibly on the Fletcher Farm at Pungo Ferry, now wooded and newer houses built on the site - can still see the old tree that was beside the original house. Search along the roadside?) Charlie Bryant expressed concern in a 1909 letter to Bluke: "I must see if I can't get someone to look after Father and Mother's graves." This would suggest the graves are not in a formal cemetery. Sometime after 1920, the Fletchers moved to Ocean View in Norfolk, leaving their farm in Pungo. I called the Snellings Funeral Home in Portsmouth and they are going to check their records for Margaret's burial location. I also called Holloman Brown on Tidewater Drive as they bought out the Snellings business. A helpful man named Chris said he would search their records. He called back and said he did not find Margaret's record. He suggested calling the Chesapeake Health Department for a death certificate. (Terry C. has the phone number). Meanwhile,Terry noticed a couple of white markers in the trees behind where the house would have been on the Fletcher farm. On Aug. 31 I contacted the Old Princess Anne County historical group that meets at Creeds twice a month. I got an almost immediate reply from Donald Moore of Pungo, who offered some great information and whatever further assistance I need... he is a professional genealogist, and.... drum roll... we are related through Blucher Fletcher who is his gg grandfather!
- Why did they leave Southampton County and move to Princess Anne County? (Speculation: the farm was not supporting them). We learned that the Bryants moved to Princess Anne County BEFORE Addie and Blucher Fletcher bought the land at Pungo Ferry Road. Blucher and Addie didn't marry until 1888, and according to Charlie Fletcher, they operated a store in Woodville, NC for a time after they were married. Eley and Margaret's sold their land in Southampton County in January 1886. Their baby Fenton died in Princess Anne County in 1887. Did they rent the land in PA County before buying it? When did the Fletcher's buy the original property in PA County? (It had to be in the 1890’s as they lived in PA County in 1900 per US Census. They purchased a second parcel on Jan. 1, 1904).
- What happened to the "lost" land grant/deed? It wasn't a lost grant, it was a lost or stolen patent for growing peanuts. Find out more?
- Was Ida married at age 16 (see ref in 1930 Census)? No record of this marriage in Southampton.
- Who was Ida Rene's 2nd husband (last name Williams)? Not found in Southampton Courthouse.
- Find divorce record for Ida and Llewellyn Eley. Found the marriage certificate, but no divorce or annulment record found in Southampton Courthouse.
- Why were William Bryant’s parents' names on his death certificate incorrect? (Peter Bryant and Margaret Gartlan?) Possible mistranslation by staff member at the Newark City Hospital where he died.
- Probate dispute over William Cobb's estate. What was that about?
- How did the Turner Rebellion affect the family?
- History of Queen Street Methodist Episcopal Church (Samuel Hatcher, 107 Wood St. parsonage). In 1900, Bonnie took the train from NJ to Portsmouth, rode the ferry across to Norfolk. William met her and they went immediately to the nearest church to be married. The church is now AME.
- Where did the name "Fenton" originate? We don't know where the name "Fenton" came from, but it was heavily used in the Bryant family. There was a James Fenton Bryant who was Superintendent of Schools and a well-known leader in Southampton County.
- How did the Bryants of Va. originally connect with the Abbotts of NJ? (William and Bonnie?) The final link of what would later be called the N&W RR came to Jerusalem in 1888. This is around the time that Eley sold the Southampton property and bought the farm in Blackwater. William Bryant went to NJ and worked in a hat factory gluing bands inside the hats. There is where he met Bonnie. In 1900, after Eley's death, William was living with his mother Margaret in Blackwater. In 1900, Bonnie came down on the train, took the ferry to Norfolk from Portsmouth, and they went straight to the Queens Street Methodist church parsonage and got married. Bonnie had a large, ornate marriage certificate made and signed by the preacher. She was pregnant, but the baby died in infancy. William and Bonnie moved back to NJ in 1901. Family lore says that Ida Rene first met George when he was a boy. She could have met him when visiting William in NJ sometime before 1900. Charles went to work in NJ around 1909, or possibly earlier. William's family in NJ did not remember ever visiting Charles, which is strange since his piano business was on Broad Street in Newark, their home town.
- William Bryant “Billie” visited Addie's family on Peachtree Street in Ocean View, Norfolk. We were able to confirm to Charlie Fletcher that William did not receive his leg wound in the war - there was no war at the time, and he was too old to have been in WWI. Matt speculates that it might have been an ulcer caused by alcohol-related diabetes. Bonnie was apparently happy to have William out of the house. William died in a residence facility for alcoholics. The Abbotts threatened to bury him the Abbott graveyard in Newark so that he would be tormented for eternity, and that is exactly where he was interred. The graveyard is in the middle of a building complex.
- Abbott Blvd in Fort Lee, NJ, is named for our family. (John Abbott was mayor of Ridgefield/Fort Lee).
- Franklin Gazette OCLC#: 34273845 Published Weekly From 1880 To 1886 In Franklin, Va. : K.R. Griffin, Publisher varies. Editor: K.R. Griffin, <1882>; W.W. Degge, <1884>; M.E. Daughtry, <1885>. Originals held by: Virginia Museum of History and Culture and https://www.worldcat.org/
title/franklin-gazette/oclc/ 34273845&referer=brief_results . Also https://chroniclingamerica. loc.gov/lccn/sn96096530/ - Blackwater Courier. (Franklin, Va.) 1891-1900, https://www.worldcat.org/
title/blackwater-courier/oclc/ 34224051&referer=brief_results also https://chroniclingamerica. loc.gov/lccn/sn96096531/ - The Graphic. (Franklin, VA.) 1900-1905 https://www.worldcat.org/
title/graphic/oclc/34273796/ also https://chroniclingamerica. loc.gov/lccn/sn96096535/ - Tidewater News. (Franklin, Va.) 1905-Current ** [still published https://www.thetidewaternews.
com/] https://www.worldcat.org/ title/tidewater-news/oclc/ 32981283&referer=brief_results , also https://chroniclingamerica. loc.gov/lccn/sn95079232/ - Southampton Democrat (Franklin, VA.) 188? - 192? https://www.worldcat.org/
title/southhampton-democrat/ oclc/34273870&referer=brief_ results also https://chroniclingamerica. loc.gov/lccn/sn96096536/











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